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Sep 3, 2008 10:19 AM

vBulletin Message Boards?

We are looking to revamp our message boards and wanted some feeback from other community managers about your expereince with vbulletin or other software packages.

 

Thanks

Chris Boglio

Marketing Manager, Pets.com

MRowland Novice 19 posts since
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Sep 3, 2008 1:29 PM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Hi Chris,

 

We've worked with many of the message board software packages available on the market today. Our experience goes back to when the only "enterprise level" options were iChat, WebCrossing, and eShare... I'm familiar with VBulletin due to its use on a couple of The Active Network web communities, but not entirely sure that it's a good fit for enterprise size communities.

 

All platforms have their pluses and minuses. However, for an organization as large as Pets.com what is appealling about VBulletin? Looking at your community, the set up is a little confusing as the users have to click several times to get to the discussions (which are not really threaded for ease of reading). Is that what you want to change? Is it the cost or that you only want message boards and nothing else? I guess it comes down to why aren't you happy with what you are using today?

 

The ability to easily administer the site should be a major consideration as well as whether the software can integrate into other areas of the site to drive activity (see Clearstep's 2.5 for the community everywhere feature).

 

I guess it comes down to what are your requirements for the software, then put those against the feature set of the vendors within your budget. If you can provide some details on your requirements and metrics about your communities size and activity levels that would also help me to give you some better ideas.

 

Mike

Adam Mertz Jive Employee 107 posts since
May 29, 2008
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Sep 3, 2008 4:21 PM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Chris - sorry about the UI issue.  Just so you know there is a button in the tool bar to quote the previous thread as well as the ability to highlight a particular statement as a quote.  Both are circled in the pic below (click on the pic to increase the size).

quoting previous thread.jpg

Here's an example of what happens when clicking ont the quote icon.

cboglio wrote:

 

Thank you for your response.  The reason I mentioned vBulletin is because I am part of a many community sites that use the software and its every intuitive.  As you noticed, we are severely lacking in our message board capabilities.  We want a major overhaul to make the boards more intuitive, easy to navigate (users and moderators), controllable (sticky posts, full set of admin features; bells and whistles), measurability, and loyalty/reward system to mention a few requirements.  Clearstep is visually impressive, but I have yet to take a deeper dive into their software package.  For example, on vbulletin you have the ability to "quote" thread, which I was attempting to do, but there is no option to quote the previous thread or any thread.

 

One other thing is how customizable is the software? We would want to keep the technical underpinnings but change the look and feel. Is that possible with Clearstep? I know it is with vbulletin.

 

-Chris

ryanvdz Jive Employee 8 posts since
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Sep 4, 2008 2:23 PM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?
One other thing is how customizable is the software? We would want to keep the technical underpinnings but change the look and feel. Is that possible with Clearstep? I know it is with vbulletin.

 

Hey Chris, regarding your second question, yes, Clearspace is very customizable and was written with UI customization in mind. You can make simple changes with built-in tools, or you can completely redesign the appearance of application to match the rest of your company / brand if you need. You can see examples in many of the communities powere by Clearspace:

 

Nike: http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/nikesoccer/en_US/
CNN: http://www.ireport.com/
eBay: http://community.worldofgood.com/
Bank of America: http://smallbusinessonlinecommunity.bankofamerica.com/
Intel: http://communities.intel.com/
Cisco: https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/
Dick's Sporting Goods: http://www.sportspacecommunity.com

 

Hope this helps.

 

-r-

MRowland Novice 19 posts since
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Sep 4, 2008 6:18 PM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Hi Chris,

 

Thanks for the details. I think that you'll find most of the top platforms on the market today to be very intuitive for members to use, with good admin controls as well. The bells and whistles for community software are not all that different from vendor to vendor. Most will be able to provide a consistent branding experience for your community that strengthens or enhances the brand rather than detracting from it. However, you'll need to do the due diligence yourself (or have your staff look into this), but here is what I can tell you from our recent experience.

 

As part of a strategy and management engagement, we reviewed the following vendors - Jive, Small World Labs, Lithium, Leverage software, and Telligent's Community Server. Each has its benefits and some drawbacks. In the end we recommended Jive due to the customization capabilities and for the overall fit of offering that would meet our client's community members' needs while integrating into the existing platform/CMS systems in use. The IT and web team at our client is currently playing with the customization on a test site and is very happy so far. (DISCLOSURE: We are not partners with Jive and received no compensation for our recommendation. We are not aligned with any software vendors, and only recommend what platform would work best for our clients. This time it happened to be Jive that met our client's needs.)

 

My concern with VBulletin is that while intuitive and customizable, it may not be as scalable as you need for a potentially large community. At the same time, I would be concerned about how well it meshes with your business goals in terms of playing well with your other systems. Lastly, because everything we do is based upon metrics and analysis, how well does VBulletin's software play with your site's web analytics package? We know that Jive works well with Omniture and with Webtrends.

 

Feel free to contact me if you want to know more. But I would definitely recommend that you play with the Jive platform for a while to understand its benefits as a comparison point with VBulletin or any other platform you may be considering. Just my two cents...

 

Mike

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Sep 5, 2008 4:30 AM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Im not very computr literate, but have been looking for software that will allow me to start a car club so that it wil attract customers to me via my forum, blog site and wiki.

I was recommended Jive by a company that decided not to use them in the end.

I have looked at V Bulliten and know of forums using this with 30-40 thousand members so it can handle traffic fine.

My biggest hurdle is, as a small one man business looking to give a service through this sort of software. Vbulliten does not offer Wiki or Blog but is only £80 per year licence. While am I being quoted $34000 to buy Jives software. What makes it so good to be 230 times dearer.

 

Does anyone know of a more reasonably price software that will give forum, blog and wiki?

Denielle Novice 1 posts since
Jan 8, 2009
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Jan 8, 2009 1:17 PM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

How does the cost structure/licensing costs work for external communities?  We're also in the initial stages of researching this...I've used vBulletin forums.

Iain Colledge Beginner 413 posts since
Dec 20, 2007
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Jan 9, 2009 4:28 AM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

According to comments made in the recent interview by Robert Scoble of Sam Lawrence, Clearspace seems to be aimed at the enterprise market as opposed to small - medium business and its price reflects that.

 

We're currently evaluating Jives products for both internal and external usage and for us the price point sits in the range of other enterprise offereings so doesn't cause issue for us. Of course this doesn't help you being a one person business who wants to make use of Web 2.0 to connect better with your customers and so on. In answer to your question about being significantly better, in my opinion Cleasrspace is very good at what it does but then it comes with an enterprise entry price point.

 

Something that might interest you though and looks like it has price points that scale from the small to large business is Telligent Community server, users include Microsoft for a lot of their external web 2.0 type sites. Depending on resources available to you something like Wordpress with a good skin can make a nice blog+brochure type site and with a skinned forum on the side it might be something for you to consider too.

 

Hope this gives you some food for thought and I don't get hit by the ban hammer for linking to other products

Rick Palmer Jive Employee 227 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
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Jan 23, 2009 10:24 AM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Don't worry about a ban hammer - we really value these kinds of discussions at Jive.... keep 'em coming

Gary Mc Ginty Novice 1 posts since
Jan 25, 2009
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Jan 25, 2009 10:39 AM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Hi,

 

We are in the same boat, we want to revamp -

our forum is a collection on vBulletin boards which is getting difficult to manage.

At the moment we have 15,000 registered and 5000 active members.

We would be interested in looking at CC as an alternative

Do you have example sites where you migrated data from vB to Clearspace Community?

 

Has anyone here migrated successfully from VB to CC?

 

thanks,

G

William England Novice 99 posts since
Nov 18, 2008
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May 21, 2009 11:45 AM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

Gary - for a car club, unless you have a funding model and a staff in place, VB, SMF will work better for you.  Realistically, unless you want to hire someone or learn a *ton* about technology I'd suggest using a pre-built solution - haven't looked at those in years, but Yahoo Groups and Delphi Forums used to be very popular.

William England Novice 99 posts since
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May 21, 2009 11:47 AM in response to: Chris Boglio
Re: vBulletin Message Boards?

VB does scale, but you'd better have a consultant or a LAMP wizard on staff to tweak the system as you scale.  Clearspace is designed to scale much more easily.

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