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dlepiane Novice 78 posts since
Jan 29, 2008
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Feb 12, 2009 10:30 AM

RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

Dear all,

 

We have just upgraded to Clearspace 2.5 from 2.0 and I am starting to get complaints trickling in from our power users.  At our site, like many others, most of our content is driven by a small group of power users.  Since the upgrade to 2.5, they have complained about losing the text editor with its simple meta-markup syntax and the new RTE is slowing them down.  Our top contributor is saying that he's started generating and editing pages in Dreamweaver and pasting in the raw HTML as a work-around.

 

Have other sites been having this problem and what can I do to help our top contributors?

 

Thank in advance,

- Dominic

nkrake Novice 57 posts since
Feb 24, 2008
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Feb 12, 2009 9:42 PM in response to: dlepiane
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

Hi Dominic,

 

I would have to agree. I have found the RTE to be painful at times.

 

Using it to create a simple document or blog is bearable, but if I need to create a complex document with alot of formatting, tables, colors, fonts etc, it is quite difficult, to the point where I do a similiar thing - create the bulk of the document in another editor and copy and paste across, or create the document in word and attache it to the wiki document.

 

I wonder if Jive have done any re-engineering of the RTE for version 3.0?

 

Cheers

Nathan

senthilv Beginner 333 posts since
Oct 23, 2008
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Feb 12, 2009 7:45 PM in response to: Nathan Krake
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

I third the motion.  RTE is quite clunky.  I suggest, jive look at other uses of TinyMCE control in other popular content authoring apps (like WordPress) and provide a palatable editor.

 

Best Regards,

-senthil

jkeglovitz Novice 65 posts since
Aug 26, 2008
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Feb 12, 2009 8:30 PM in response to: Senthil Vaiyapuri
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

I'll vote 4th.

 

I'm really hoping for a better experience with the RTE when 3.0 comes out.  Editing links in the Clearspace RTE feels overengineered compared to TinyMCE implementations I've seen elsewhere.  The blue bordered "edit" mode on links takes control of the cursor in a way that's very jarring and breaks basic functionality like using the arrow keys to move your cursor to the word previous to the link.

bproven1 Novice 52 posts since
Oct 16, 2007
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Feb 13, 2009 1:56 PM in response to: dlepiane
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

I agree it needs to be beefed up.  I am also holding my breath for Google Apps integration and the final sweetner for those absolutely hooked on MS Office (and many are) an import from MS Word to Wiki OR better yet a WebDAV plugin as suggested back in June 2008: http://www.jivesoftware.com/jivespace/message/104182#104182

 

The problem is getting our users to drop MS Office and move to Clearspace for authoring I want to make that a no brainer if possible.

Will Jive Employee 4,644 posts since
Nov 2, 2004
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Mar 3, 2009 4:57 PM in response to: dlepiane
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

Great discussion Dominic!

 

We've had similar talks in house, and our RTE has undergone many changes in its lifetime, and we (obviously) have yet to build the RTE loved by all (which may never happen). That being said, we are looking to undertake some large changes in our next feature release, not 3.0, but 3.5.

 

Sorry for the current inconvenience, but we welcome the feedback as it's good to know the specific problems with the RTE, and not just the overarching "we don't like the RTE."

 

Thanks,

frbaron Novice 12 posts since
Mar 19, 2009
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Jun 8, 2009 11:19 AM in response to: dlepiane
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

Agree the RTE does come with its bundle of issues, still on 3.0.3.

 

Facts

1) Firefox crashes (seem better in 3.0.3... but just happened to me on that post)

2) No auto-save while typing documents (come on!)

3) Various weird editing behaviours: going at the end of the doc on enter, auto-typing some characters, deleting cells from an array while editing, etc...

4) Replacing tabs by 8 spaces (oh no!!), no general Style or Template for all to use... these are just painful MS Word habits, and SBS will make them even worse

 

We are used to a plain and text based editor (dokuwiki), and though I appreciate the collaboration aspects and general informal content collection/aggregation capabilities of SBS I just feel, that even with wysiwyg capabilities we are taking a step back in our reference documentation capabilities. It's slower to load, to type, and I now end up spending time on getting formatting & font just acceptable... people will keep typing in external word and attach docs, and they would be right.

 

Wysiwyg helps for new users, but if you really use the system to edit web pages, then productivity after a while becomes a major factor as well... even adding internal links requires 4+ clicks, no autocomplete or suggestions.

 

What I think would help:

a) editor: a plain text editor option (a real wiki) option

b) storage in text: not half baked html-ites with all sorts of consistency/reliability problems... mixing data & presentation has not been a good idea for a while now, hasn't it?

c) enhancing typing functionality: auto-save on typing (blocker!), autocomplete on internal links, typing shortcuts (like in wiki syntax)...

 

At this stage, the platform seems really meant for discussions, informal exchanges and support groups... not really as a documentation library I think. The editor is not there yet, and a basic try on Google Apps shows where it probably should be.

 

Franck

Will Jive Employee 4,644 posts since
Nov 2, 2004
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Jun 8, 2009 2:03 PM in response to: frbaron
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

Thanks for the feedback Franck! I have added these points to the internal discussion and information gathering document we have on the topic of improving our RTE in future releases.

frbaron Novice 12 posts since
Mar 19, 2009
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Jul 22, 2009 6:41 AM in response to: Will French
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users

One more feature request on the RTE: Undo (CTRL+Z) support

 

Even notepad has it

 

Franck

Will Jive Employee 4,644 posts since
Nov 2, 2004
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Jul 22, 2009 9:36 AM in response to: frbaron
Re: RTE in 2.5 is too slow for power users
This has been previously filed, thanks!

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